11/11/2023 0 Comments George harrison pedo stache![]() ![]() One of the problems with honey is that it doesn't dry out and, if you try to cook something that's supposed to dry out, honey will keep it moist too long and this is a problem. The other thing, of course, was that, during World War II, when sugar was rationed, my father was regularly called to Washington, DC, as one of the managers of the largest cooperatives, to testify before Congress on price controls and sources and so on, and many people learned how to cook with honey in World War II who had never touched honey. or my father was, I didn't do anything, and, if the amount of rainfall held down the clover crop, then, there was trouble, in terms of producing honey. We were highly dependent upon the weather. I mean, we were like any agriculture-based industry. LG: Oh, there were those, there were those. SI: I was wondering if it referred to the fact that farms have bad years and good years. My mother was a Democrat, but he was a lifelong Republican and forced my mother to listen to him read, at night, columns by Right-Wing columnists out of the Columbus Dispatch, and so, I always thought that was interesting tension. What was interesting to me was that, despite his ability to point to the vagaries of the marketplace and how it hurt individuals, he was a lifelong Republican. as I say, when we were putting my father in a nursing home, a very traumatic kind of situation. My political opinions were already formed at that point, which is interesting, because I didn't come across this until much later. That's what I meant, and his appeal to independent beekeepers around Central Ohio to join this cooperative was based upon the vagaries of the marketplace and the difficulty of surviving in the marketplace. What he used as the example of the kind of the cruelties of the marketplace to the independent producer, when up against great chain stores, like A&P and so on, they were able to drive individual price bargains with small honey producers, who simply did not have the scale to package and label and market their products in any way that would get them a decent price. While he, in the tradition of gentlemen of that generation, did not really talk about finances with his children at all, I could see, in his correspondence, his effort to organize this cooperative association. What I meant by that was that, when my father went into a nursing home, we had occasion, my sister and I, to review his correspondence. You used a phrase, that that introduced you to, "The cruelties of the marketplace." I was curious what you meant by that. Your father was a honey producer in Delaware, Ohio. You told us last time a little about how you grew up. SI: To begin, we would like to go back and ask you a few more questions about your childhood. I mean, I'd have to have a transcript in front of me to tell you that no, nothing that's been sticking in my mind, no. The first question I want to ask is, is there anything that maybe the last interview stirred up that you want to say beforehand? SI: Thank you very much for coming in today. Shaun Illingworth: This begins our second interview with Professor Lloyd Gardner on April 17, 2008, in New Brunswick, New Jersey, with Shaun Illingworth. ![]()
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